Problems with the Newton-Schrödinger Equations
arXiv:1403.4921 · doi:10.1088/1367-2630/16/8/085007
Abstract
We examine the origin of the Newton-Schrödinger equations (NSEs) that play an important role in alternative quantum theories (AQT), macroscopic quantum mechanics and gravity-induced decoherence. We show that NSEs for individual particles do not follow from general relativity (GR) plus quantum field theory (QFT). Contrary to what is commonly assumed, the NSEs are not the weak-field (WF), non-relativistic (NR) limit of the semi-classical Einstein equation (SCE) (this nomenclature is preferred over the `M\/oller-Rosenfeld equation') based on GR+QFT. The wave-function in the NSEs makes sense only as that for a mean field describing a system of particles as , not that of a single or finite many particles. From GR+QFT the gravitational self-interaction leads to mass renormalization, not to a non-linear term in the evolution equations of some AQTs. The WF-NR limit of the gravitational interaction in GR+QFT involves no dynamics. To see the contrast, we give a derivation of the equation (i) governing the many-body wave function from GR+QFT and (ii) for the non-relativistic limit of quantum electrodynamics (QED). They have the same structure, being linear, and very different from NSEs. Adding to this our earlier consideration that for gravitational decoherence the master equations based on GR+QFT lead to decoherence in the energy basis and not in the position basis, despite some AQTs desiring it for the `collapse of the wave function', we conclude that the origins and consequences of NSEs are very different, and should be clearly demarcated from those of the SCE equation, the only legitimate representative of semiclassical gravity, based on GR+QFT.
18 pages. Invited paper for the Focus Issue on 'Gravitational quantum physics' in New Journal of Physics
References in corpus (34)
- Laser cooling of a nanomechanical oscillator into its quantum ground state
- Sideband Cooling Micromechanical Motion to the Quantum Ground State
- Models of Wave-function Collapse, Underlying Theories, and Experimental Tests
- Towards quantum superpositions of a mirror
- Dynamical Reduction Models
- Large Quantum Superpositions and Interference of Massive Nanometer-Sized Objects
- Entanglement and decoherence of a micromechanical resonator via coupling to a Cooper box
- Gravitation and quantummechanical localization of macroobjects
- Does backreaction enforce the averaged null energy condition in semiclassical gravity?
- Macroscopic Quantum Mechanics: Theory and Experimental Concepts of Optomechanics
- Noise and Fluctuations in Semiclassical Gravity
- Effective Field Theory Approach to Gravitationally Induced Decoherence
- Stochastic Gravity: Theory and Applications
- Stochastic Gravity: Theory and Applications
- A Master Equation for Gravitational Decoherence: Probing the Textures of Spacetime
- Macroscopic Quantum Mechanics in a Classical Spacetime
- A Fluctuation-Dissipation Relation for Semiclassical Cosmology
- Backreaction in Semiclassical Cosmolgy: The Einstein Langevin Equation
- Stochastic semiclassical equations for weakly inhomogeneous cosmologies
- Stochastic semiclassical gravity
- Effective noise in stochastic description of inflation
- Einstein-Langevin Equations from Running Coupling Constants
- Stochastic Gravity: A Primer with Applications
- BEC Collapse and Dynamical Squeezing of Vacuum Fluctuations
- Induced quantum metric fluctuations and the validity of semiclassical gravity
- Semiclassical effects in black hole interiors
- The Point Processes of the GRW Theory of Wave Function Collapse
- Energy-momentum tensor for scalar fields coupled to the dilaton in two dimensions
- Incorporating gravity into trace dynamics: the induced gravitational action
- Hawking Radiation and Unitary evolution
- Quantum Theory of Non-Relativistic Particles Interacting with Gravity
- Validity of the Semiclassical Approximation and Back=reaction
- Influence functional in two dimensional dilaton gravity
- Newton-Schrödinger Equations are not derivable from General Relativity + Quantum Field Theory
Cited by in corpus (51)
- The Schrödinger-Newton equation and its foundations
- Gravitational Decoherence
- Tabletop experiments for quantum gravity: a user's manual
- Sourcing semiclassical gravity from spontaneously localized quantum matter
- Non-Relativistic Gravity and its Coupling to Matter
- Probing a Gravitational Cat State
- Entanglement of quantum clocks through gravity
- Quantum correlation of light mediated by gravity
- Massive quantum systems as interfaces of quantum mechanics and gravity
- Optomechanical test of the Schrödinger-Newton equation
- The Deep Space Quantum Link: Prospective Fundamental Physics Experiments using Long-Baseline Quantum Optics
- A no-go theorem on the nature of the gravitational field beyond quantum theory
- Quantum Superposition of Two Gravitational Cat States
- Stochastic modification of the Schrodinger-Newton equation
- The Schrödinger-Newton equations beyond Newton
- Gravitational Decoherence: A Thematic Overview
- Can the fluctuations of the quantum vacuum solve the cosmological constant problem?
- Entanglement decoherence in a gravitational well according to the event formalism
- Optomechanical tests of a Schrödinger-Newton equation for gravitational quantum mechanics
- Gravitational Decoherence of Dark Matter
- Coupling Quantum Matter and Gravity
- Stochastic extensions of the regularized Schrödinger-Newton equation
- Space-time fluctuations and a stochastic Schrödinger-Newton equation
- Does gravity have to be quantized? Lessons from non-relativistic toy models
- General Relativistic Decoherence with Applications to Dark Matter Detection
- Effects of Newtonian gravitational self-interaction in harmonically trapped quantum systems
- Can quantum systems succumb to their own (gravitational) attraction?
- Decoherence from General Relativity
- On a Crucial Role of Gravity in the Formation of Elementary Particles
- Inference of gravitational field superposition from quantum measurements
- Semi-classical gravity phenomenology under the causal-conditional quantum measurement prescription
- Impact of relativity on particle localizability and ground state entanglement
- Distinguishable consequence of classical gravity on quantum matter
- Gravity, Quantum Fields and Quantum Information: Problems with classical channel and stochastic theories
- Quantum solitonic wave-packet of a meso-scopic system in singularity free gravity
- Quantum spreading of a self-gravitating wave-packet in singularity free gravity
- Pressureless stationary solutions in a Newton-Yukawa gravity model
- Gravitational entanglement witness through Einstein ring image
- Disfavoring the Schroedinger-Newton equation
- Enhanced Gravitational Entanglement via Modulated Optomechanics
- Testing Gravitational Self-interaction via Matter-Wave Interferometry
- Emergence of Classicality in Stern-Gerlach Experiment via Self-Gravity
- Short Distance Modification of a Gravitational System and its Optical Analog
- Classical and quantum: a conflict of interest
- Testing de Broglie's double solution in the mesoscopic regime
- Benchmarks for quantum communication via gravity
- Newtonian self-gravity in trapped quantum systems and experimental tests
- Sudden Decoherence by Resonant Particle Excitation for Testing Gravity-Induced Entanglement
- Gravitational wave memory and quantum Michelson interferometer
- Dephasing and inhibition of spin interference from semi-classical self-gravitation
- Intrinsic Entropy of Squeezed Quantum Fields and Nonequilibrium Quantum Dynamics of Cosmological Perturbations