model theory

Some results on NIP groups and their Ellis groups

arXiv:2607.26265

summary

The paper develops a notion of piecewise (strong) f‑generic definable sets in NIP groups, shows they form an ideal, and uses this to obtain new results on the size and structure of Ellis groups of definable groups, including bounds on their cardinality and finite Archimedean rank under VC‑codensity assumptions.

Abstract

This paper has several parts. We begin by developing a theory of `piecewise (strong) f-genericity' in NIP groups, where we call a definable set piecewise (strong) f-generic if some union of finitely many translates of it is (strong) f-generic. We show that, in an NIP group, the definable sets that are not piecewise (strong) f-generic form an ideal. Our hope is that the corresponding piecewise (strong) f-generic types can provide a substitute in arbitrary NIP groups for the (strong) f-generic types of definably amenable NIP groups, and in the rest of the paper we give several applications. Two of the applications deal with the Ellis group of an NIP group. Let be an NIP theory, a definable group, and a model. In our first result we show that the size of the Ellis group of is bounded above by , independent of the choice of , giving a substantial step towards the question of whether the isomorphism type is independent of . In our second result, inspired by a theorem of Hrushovski, we show that, if and are countable and the formulas of have uniformly bounded VC-codensity, then the Ellis group of has `finite Archimedean rank', ie its connected component is profinite-by-Lie. A crucial tool for us in both results is the recent result of Chernikov-Gannon-Krupiński and Basso-Zucker that the -topology on the Ellis group is Hausdorff. Finally, we use our techniques to obtain a `local' result valid in arbitrary NIP theories, without the assumption of uniformly bounded VC-codensity: for any `bi-invariant' formula , the group has finite Archimedean rank. More precisely, if the VC-codensity of is at most , then is an inverse limit of compact Lie groups of dimension at most . This connects to, though is different than, a question of Hrushovski's.

added some more details in the introduction, isolated Question 7.12 in the discussion at the end of section 7, and updated the bibliography

Topics & keywords

#nip groups#f-generic types#ellis group#vc-codensity#definable groups#topological dynamicspiecewise strong f-genericEllis group sizefinite Archimedean rankprofinite-by-Lieτ-topology HausdorffG^{00}_φ
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