paper

Canonical reconstruction and forcing absoluteness of standard structures

arXiv:2606.02898

Abstract

We isolate a simple preservation principle governing when it is absolute, between transitive models of set theory, that a given algebraic or topological-algebraic structure has a standard form indexed by a set . The principle is: if the index (or a proxy for it) can be recovered from by a uniform definable construction, then the class of structures isomorphic to some~ is downward absolute from forcing extensions. Answering a question raised by Noah Schweber, we deduce in particular that no group that fails to be a full symmetric group in the ground model can become one after forcing; the result holds already in ZF. The same mechanism applies to full transformation monoids, powerset Boolean algebras, full relation algebras, full clones, full partition lattices, products of finitely generated centrally indecomposable rings, the commutative -algebras and , full endomorphism rings, the operator algebras and , and as a real Banach lattice. In the motivating symmetric-group case, the same reconstruction gives more than descent: it yields a uniform definition of fullness over transitive ZF-models. We then exhibit clean torsor obstructions, in the standard symmetric-model situation: finite covers already separate ZF-failure from ZFC-descent without any completeness caveat, and the finite-support normed space provides the analogous Banach example. Bare-Banach-space isomorphism with exhibits a genuine ZFC-descent. We conclude with the corresponding, relative, obstructions to -definability of standardness over transitive ZF-models.

22 pp; accepted for publication in Archive for Mathematical Logic