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Separating versus ordinary Noether numbers

arXiv:2511.17719

Abstract

Let be a finite group and a field containing an element of multiplicative order . It is shown that if has a cyclic subgroup of index at most , then the separating Noether number over of coincides with the Noether number over of . The same conclusion holds when is the direct product of a dihedral group and the -element group. On the other hand, the smallest non-abelian groups are found for which the separating Noether number over is strictly less than the Noether number over . Along the way the exact value of the separating Noether number is determined for all groups of order at most . The results show in particular that unlike the ordinary Noether number, the separating Noether number of a non-abelian finite group may well be equal to the separating Noether number of a proper direct factor of the group.

An earlier version of this material appeared before as part of arXiv:2412.08621, but has been removed from there

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