A closer look at predicting turbulence statistics of arbitrary moments when based on a non-modelled symmetry approach

Abstract

A recent Letter by Oberlack et al. [Phys. Rev. Lett. 128, 024502 (2022)] claims to have derived new symmetry-induced solutions of the non-modelled statistical Navier-Stokes equations of turbulent channel flow. A high accuracy match to DNS data for all streamwise moments up to order 6 is presented, both in the region of the channel-center and in the inertial sublayer close to the wall. Here we will show that the findings and conclusions in that study are highly misleading, as they give the impression that a significant breakthrough in turbulence research has been achieved. But, unfortunately, this is not the case. Besides trivial and misleading aspects, we will demonstrate that even basic turbulence-relevant correlations as the Reynolds-stress cannot be fitted to data using the proposed symmetry-induced scaling laws. The Lie-group symmetry method as used by Oberlack et al. cannot bypass the closure problem of turbulence. It is just another assumption-based method that requires modelling and is not, as claimed, a first-principle method that leads directly to solutions. Next to PRL, two more papers by Oberlack et al. are called out for correction or a retraction.

arXiv comment39 pages, 7 figures. Comment published in PRL. See also the concluding review arXiv:2302.04853

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